ToWriteLoveOnHerArms

Commented 10 months ago - 10th July 2012 - 13:21pm

Really like this.

A family friend had to go into rehab because of the stinkin stuff.

I've had like a glass of champers once in a whole on occasions but it's not even as nice as people say. Fruit juice for the win.

Well done.

RadicalRhys

Commented 10 months ago - 10th July 2012 - 13:47pm

Really liked this article, but I feel as though all the blame is placed on the substance. Dont get me wrong, Alcohol can bring out the worst in people, I've known this for 12 years of my life (19 now by the way).
However its not exactly the alcohol's fault, more like the people who drink the stuff. I mean sure the stuff in on the shelves, but its the people who buy the stuff, drink it, and face the consequences for it. So it's more like a 50/50 blame for alcohol/people.

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 10 months ago - 10th July 2012 - 20:26pm

Thanks both. And Rhys, if it never did exist, then there wouldn't be a problem. I know people's actions should be to blame for but their actions wouldn't be there if it never did exist. Its because it's killed people I know that I blame the alcohol...

Tyvott Yb Knivvott

Commented 10 months ago - 11th July 2012 - 10:20am

No matter how you argue against it, we need alcohol to survive. How many different medicines have alcohol in it, for legit reasons?

It was always there, to be found. It's a basic element in chemistry. Just because some people abuse it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. People abuse sex, drugs, and a variety of other things, doesn't mean they shouldn't exist either.

I've said this before, I may be teetotal, but I have no qualms with others drinking, as long as they respect my want to not drink the same as their want to drink. Why can't that be the same with other people?

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 10 months ago - 11th July 2012 - 12:19pm

When I say it shouldn't exist, I mean as in the alcohol drink.

BethanTheBarmy

Commented 10 months ago - 11th July 2012 - 12:23pm

I don't really agree with this. As Tyvott said, alcohol isn't evil just because some people abuse it. To say that alcohol ruins lives is to say that knives stab people. We're to blame if we abuse substances, and it is possible to enjoy drinking without taking it over the top.

In reality, only a small percentage of people who drink alcohol are alcoholics.

ToWriteLoveOnHerArms

Commented 10 months ago - 11th July 2012 - 12:26pm

@tyvott yb knivvott I don't think she meant the chemical but the alcoholic beverage. If it is going to exist then it should be hard to get. Really hard. Have you seen how many young people are taken into hospital recently? I would know because my mother is apart of the NHS.

I say that there should be more strictness on the stuff. If not strict, it should be so much more expensive. I have actually lost two friends who didn't make it to their twenties because of alcohol.

So that's my POV. And I think this is a great poem, nonetheless.

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 10 months ago - 11th July 2012 - 14:04pm

My comment cut off. Great.

Yeah, but the thing is, the poem is written from my view after seeing what it has done to my family. What it has caused. It's not meant to be taken as if it's the only opinion in the world.

Say now, a boss fires someone's father because of something, and then the family gets into debt, they lose their house,etc, well then the children/family may blame the boss for firing the dad when it may not be the bosses fault, it could be the,fathers for being in the wrong.

Not saying that this has anything to do with bosses but like its an example that the kids may see the boss as evil, yeah? Well that's alcohol to me. In my opinion, after it being a killer of a family member and wrecking my friends' lives and all that, of course I'm going to want it to be non existant and of course I'm going to hate it.

It's just a poem I wrote with anger because of its effect on my life. It doesn't mean anything but the fact that I personally hate it for what it has caused.

I know I'll probably be called "attention seeker" for this, but right now, my family are going through living hell thanks to the stuff. I know it didn't jump into someone's mouth and do it all itself, but it played a big part in the situation, didn't it?

Bottom line is, I see alcohol as how I wrote the poem because of the effect it has had on my life. Someone else may love the stuff because it's done nothing but good for them. So if that's their point of view, then fair enough.

ToWriteLoveOnHerArms

Commented 10 months ago - 11th July 2012 - 14:14pm

Now this could be me reading this wrong but it looks like cyrusvirus is being told her opinion is wrong.

If alcohol has affected her life then doesn't she have the right to state her opinion? If she thinks life could be better without the drink, then that's her opinion.

Yeah, it can be enjoyed as a harmless drink but a lot of places are promoting the fact that you should get intoxicated to the extent where you mess up.

It could be that she has been brought up to only see the bad side if the drink and that's why her opinion is that. No matter what the opinion, she should be allowed it with out people basically saying her opinion is wrong.

People are to blame but if the drink wasn't sold with the fact that the creators know that there can be addiction and harm within the drink then surely it would be better?

Tyvott Yb Knivvott

Commented 10 months ago - 12th July 2012 - 12:49pm

But that's the thing - people are idiots. People find something and instantly think "i'm going to touch/eat that". That's why there's warning signs on electric pylons.

Due to human curiosity, things are discovered. I wouldn't be able to tell you that if it wasn't for the invention of type, technology and everything else.

Someone discovered alcohol, and they found it was good for something. Then they see what else it can be used for. Boom - drinks.

I know you meant the drink, but it's just that - it was inevitable that someone discovered that alcohol effects people the way it does, just like it was inevitable that tobacco was discovered and how electricity work.

I'm not one for comparing people's lives or what have you, but I know a lot about how drink, drugs and smoking effect a family. I've seen, heard things that I won't repeat even to my closest friends.

If my most recent article was live, I'd link it here, but for some reason, it's been taken down without anyone telling me why. Anyway, my father was an alcoholic (among others in my extended family), and he nearly broke the family. I no longer see him as a father figure, only a person that resulted in my life.

It's rather weak for people to blame alcoholism solely on the drink. There's usually an underlined problem that makes people feel the need to drink (and by that, I mean overly drink, not occasional).

I'm in no way saying that her opinion is wrong. It's more that I'm trying to understand. That's fair, right?


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ToWriteLoveOnHerArms

Commented 10 months ago - 12th July 2012 - 12:55pm

@Tyvott

Yes, but as she has stated, her opinion has been because of the fact that she has been blinded by the fact that a member of her family is obviously an alcoholic and things have taken the turn for the worst- correct me if I'm wrong @Cyrusvirus.

Therefore, due to the circumstances, she doesn't want to blame her relative. You must know the feeling where you blame something, even if it isn't that person/things fault entirely.

Like if a person was there at an accident which caused a death of a someone, the mother will more than likely blame that person, despite the fact that it wasn't their fault. Get what I mean?

Anyway, that is what I can see from this poem and what she has said within the comments.

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 10 months ago - 12th July 2012 - 13:16pm

Okay, I don't want a big debate over this. After all, I only wrote this when I was really upset. So after this comment, please can we just agree to disagree? I mean, not everyone will see the same side as someone else.

All I'm going to say is why I wrote the poem and why I see it as what I've said...

I wrote this at 2 am when my uncle (I may as well say now) was rushed into hospital. @TWLOHA is right about me being "blinded" and blaming the alcohol. I know it's not ALL the alcohol's fault, but obviously I want to blame that and not my uncle because he hasn't got long left. And alcohol is everywhere in my life now. I'm losing my friends to it (well my old ones at least) and I don't want to take my anger out on anyone so I take it out on the alcohol.

There was a lot going through my mind at the time and so I wanted to write about it. A friend of mine read this and told me to upload it, so I did.

But yeah, can we just agree to disagree? It seems as if some people are taking things the wrong way here and to be honest, it's very easy to do online. My mother's always saying that you can't read a person's expression online. And besides, I won't be able to comment after today- training for Race for Life! Wish me luck!

Tyvott Yb Knivvott

Commented 10 months ago - 12th July 2012 - 14:27pm

But that's the thing, you're not blaming them for being an alcoholic. You're not saying "you are the death of this family" by standing up and confronting someone who is indeed an alcoholic. You're just looking out for their best interests, that's all.

People turn to drink for such basic stuff, like stress at work or things that are rather meaningless. There's usually an underlined reason for why they waste their money and their lives away. I don't know why my father did so since we hardly talk anymore.

Sometimes, a want isn't enough. I didn't want to tell my father to change his attitude, I needed to. Need is a more important thing than a want.

BethanTheBarmy

Commented 10 months ago - 12th July 2012 - 14:28pm

I don't think any of us were saying your opinion is wrong :) Tyvott and I were simply expressing our own in response to yours.

The good thing about being able to comment is that we can express differences in opinions; neither of us meant to offend, we were just applying a different point of view.

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 10 months ago - 12th July 2012 - 15:08pm

I didn't think you thought my opinion was wrong, TWLOHA did.

But my uncle KNOWS what I think. We have argued and everything. Maybe if you guys knew the full story, it would make more sense as to why I wrote it, but I feel like it would be unfair if I did share the story.

I blamed the alcohol because I was so frustrated and I didn't want to blame him. He knows fully well he is one and he said he wants to stay one. But because of the circumstances and recent events, I didn't want to blame him. He is so ill and I just wanted to take it out on something.

I'm not having a go if it seems like it, by the way. It's just that's why I wrote it and I know at its not only the alcohols fault, but when you're in a state like this, sometimes you blame anything but the person. My gran is blaming the people who have had a bad impact on his life. It's just sometimes how people grieve. This was my way of grieving.

ToWriteLoveOnHerArms

Commented 10 months ago - 13th July 2012 - 10:44am

Guys, I think we should leave it now. Because we have different opinions.

By the way, @cyrusvirus, My mam knows yours! They went around together in school! I think they work for the same company too.

Tyvott Yb Knivvott

Commented 10 months ago - 13th July 2012 - 14:14pm

I don't inderstand why we should leave it. Nothing insulting has been said. It's a discussion.

"I blamed the alcohol because I was so frustrated and I didn't want to blame him. He knows fully well he is one and he said he wants to stay one. But because of the circumstances and recent events, I didn't want to blame him. He is so ill and I just wanted to take it out on something."

Isn't blaming the drink for what it has made someone just as bad as someone abusing alcohol? Same goes for drugs too.

With my father, he used alcohol to escape whatever (I still don't know to this day why he turned to drink). If I blamed the drink when I realised he was a drunk, I'd be using alcohol to escape the truth, that my father was solely to blame. Not the person serving him the drinks, not the person who pays his wage, him and him alone.

Probably an unliked opinion, but it makes sense to me.

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 10 months ago - 14th July 2012 - 20:54pm

I don't think that you can see what I mean. My feelings and emotions took over me. And none of you are being insulting but it's just I don't want this going on and on and on because the more I talk about this now, it's making me frustrated because of what is actually going on.

ToWriteLoveOnHerArms

Commented 10 months ago - 14th July 2012 - 20:58pm

It should be left, @tyvott because you're keeping on even though she has explained. You are kind of dragging it out and the poor mite is grieving with her uncle living his final days.

The poem was something to let her anger and stress out.

If you have a different opinion that is fine but keeping on until she changes her opinion is just dragging it out and could end up upsetting her.

Tyvott Yb Knivvott

Commented 9 months ago - 24th August 2012 - 15:23pm

There's a difference between trying to change someone's mindset and trying to understand it better.

The latter is what I was trying to do.

I understand that every experience is different, all I was saying that it doesn't make sense to me blaming the drink when it's a person that's pouring it down their throats, no matter how hard of a fact that is to understand.

Ihavethecyrusvirusx

Commented 9 months ago - 24th August 2012 - 19:32pm

@Tyvott Yeah, I know that it's his fault, too, but this poem is from my view when I was so upset and I didn't want to blame him, but I wanted to blame the alcohol.

Haven't you ever been in a position where something is so painfully upsetting that you have been blinded to only blame a part of the problem and not the part that matters to you/ you care about? Because even if you haven't, others have. I know you supposedly cannot see what I'm on about, but others can.

Please, can we leave this now? Things are taking a turn for the worst at the moment and I just want to leave this alone and to tell the truth, I thought we had left this behind.